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So Willow and I got chatting about ST Reboot...
Willow: So apparently I'm still a Trekker in my heart.
kdorian: Are you?
kdorian: And did I mention what movie I saw last night?
kdorian:
Willow: Just wrote this long rant about why I don't like the acronymn AOS for the Trek Reboot.
Willow: And heh, Coolio.
Willow: Liked?
kdorian: My response: SQEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!
Willow: hee
kdorian: I wanna see it AGAIN
Willow: 10 yrs is a long time to wait for a decent Trek.
kdorian: And buy the DVD
kdorian: Oh man
kdorian: I walked out of the theater wondering how long it was going to take for them to make the sequel
Willow: I am planning on buying the DVD. But I've got it downloaded for when I want to rewatch till then on the fly.
kdorian: They'd BETTER be working on it already
Willow: I still say it makes a good 2hr pilot for a series :p
kdorian: O_O
kdorian: YES!!!!
Willow: I think people underestimate how much ENTERPRISE the series, sucked.
Willow: though given it's the only Trek to ever get -cancelled-
Willow: it says something.
kdorian: *Nods*
kdorian: Yes
Willow: So while there are problems in the movie-reboot. It's got a Trek sensibility for the first time in -ages-
kdorian: Yes
kdorian: AND it gives a whole new angle on everything
kdorian: Trek's interesting again
Willow: Then you might get my pov in my entry.
Willow: http://willow.dreamwidth.org/1487769.html?style=mine
Willow: If you want to read it now or later.
Willow: In writing out just that little rant, I realized how much Trek history I have up in my head
kdorian: Alos hate the AOS thing
Willow: Does it make -you- want to smack people and go "Listen up Noobs!" ?
Willow: I like New!Trek. I like Trek!Reboot. I like Trek 2009.
kdorian: *L* Yes!
Willow: But AOS seriously makes me want to smack people.
Willow: I may just add that to the bottom of the post. I'm feeling cheeky enough.
Willow: yup. added.
kdorian: I was thinking further back on changes - issues with the Romulons are going to be MUCH different - because I saw no mention or even the slightest HINT of the fact that while Nero was sitting around twiddling his thumbs, while sitting on a sun-destroying weapon, did he bother to take care of that sun that's going to destroy his homeworld. Which is the big downside of single-minded vengance.

And is even a century plus enough time to evacuate a world with a population of billions, now that the red matter has been completely destroyed?
Willow: Oh crap! You're so right.
Willow: STARFLEET is aware that Romulus gets destroyed in 129 years!
kdorian: Yes. And giving that information freely, and offering to help, is the biggest diplomatic weapon they've ever been handed.

And do not forget that Spock was a science officer. If he choses to do so, he can leapfrog the science available to the Federation by two generations or more!
Willow: *nods* Spock Prime. Yes.
Willow: He's already given them transwarp tech.
kdorian: It took him, what? Two seconds? Yeah. And the top scientists of the day thought it was not possible at ALL.
Willow: Poor Scotty.
kdorian: He still gets credit
Willow: But yeah, proving Scotty right?
Willow: All of a sudden, they can't discount people because of -age- or -this is how science says a thing is-
kdorian: And I suspect Scotty was close, given how fast he picked it up
Willow: not with someone with 100 years of superior tech on them.
kdorian: HEE!
kdorian: Yes
Willow: And the Vulcans!
Willow: They might not have a planet anymore. But they have Spock Prime!
Willow: -They- are the ones holding that 100 yrs of experience.
kdorian: And in addition, while he's too old (and valuable) to go on his own, can you imagine diplomats trained by Spock Prime? Just based on what he knows?
kdorian: Knows about people and cultures, I mean - not events, which will change.
Willow: heck, Spock's relationship with the Romulans prior to the sun going nova was second to -no one-
kdorian: Oh man
kdorian: Yes
kdorian: He was a HUGE figure on Romulus
Willow: He was part of the Romulan underground in TNG.
Willow: Agitating for a change of the status quo.
kdorian: He knows them - but at the same time, at the same time they learn about HIM the big thing will be that he's the one that didn't save their world
Willow: So yeah. He knows Romulus inside out.
Willow: Yeah, though he did -try-. Of course, he can also point out 'Your countryman didn't take the redmatter to the sun and deal with it in this time either. He was too busy trying to get rid of everything that made th technology possible to even -try- and save Romulus in the first place'
kdorian: Yes. Nero is going to be an embarassment for them, to put it mildly
Willow: He didn't even capture Spock and take him, his ship, AND the redmatter to Romulus, saying he had to wait 25 yrs to have physical evidence.
Willow: Nope.
Willow: He went to destroy Vulcan.
Willow: Romulans. They COULD save themselves, but they'd rather hurt you.
kdorian: "Oh, yeah, did I mention the only one who might have a CLUE how to save your planet just watched HIS planet be destroyed by one of your race?"
kdorian: This is why single minded vengance is a bad thing
Willow: Very and indeed.
Willow: But yes, AOS does not take ANY of that into consideration.
Willow: This is more than an -alternate- version.
Willow: It's very very NEW.
Willow: It's an alternate reality with incredibly far reaching consequences.
kdorian: I want an icon of that, once the movie is out of theaters:

3 panel rotation:
Nero: Waited 25 yeats to destroy Vulcan.
Forgot to destroy the sun that would destroy his world. This is why single minded vengance is a bad thing.

Willow: heh
kdorian: Everything is new
And honestly? I think I'm most glad about the new take on Spock. Because we've seen that before, both in the original series and in reverse, with data
kdorian: Data
kdorian: that=logic vs emotions
kdorian: I want to see the take on logic PLUS emotions
kdorian: because that could make for a very appealing and very scary Spock
kdorian: Also, on some things - like, if Spock tells people about the marqui, and all that - would the cardassians accept the peace treaty, given what it cost them?
Willow: *snickers*
Willow: Oh haiz. You be swatting the Marquis. The Dominion be pwning your Empire. Hello!
Willow: Also randomly?
Willow: I always thought Data would have gotten along a whole lot better if he'd spent more time with Vulcans than with Humans.
kdorian: Yiz?
kdorian: This is true
Willow: Emotions are important, but physical representation of emotions isn't the pinnacle of Vulcan expression.
kdorian: Though I suspect vlucans will be a little different, in this
Willow: There wouldn't have been people going 'he can't feel, therefore he's not real!'
Willow: A being that's absolute pure logic?
kdorian: Argh. Yes
Willow: That was my personal beef with Data's storyline all along.
Willow: I felt his journey should have been about being accepted as an autonomous SENTIENT BEING, not as 'being human'
kdorian: That would have been so much better
Willow: Also I loathed all the stuff about how he'd never have a romantic partner.
Willow: Because I was all 'A Vulcan woman would appreciate Data like no one's business - assuming he was inclined to deal with things heterosexually'
kdorian: I've been thinking about (you just reminded me) pairings for vulcans in reboot. Because if there are married couples who survived intact, they had to have been working together off-planet, just based on odds
Willow: And the whole thing with him building himself a daughter. If he was involved with a Vulcan scientist it would have been -their- child, conceived and created and designed by both of them.
Willow: *nods*
Willow: But yeah, it really irked me. Because it was white American accented human Federation people wanting to treat Data as Property.
Willow: And I always thought the Vulcans should have objected to claims that lack of emotions = lack of sentience.
kdorian: Very much so
kdorian: Of course, that leads to questions as to the exact nature of self-awareness
kdorian: The vulcans could chew on that one for centuries
Willow: But they'd -like- it.
kdorian: Oh HELL yeah
kdorian: Meat and drink to a vulcan